Real 60

15th Aug 2018, 7:29 AM in Vol. 1 Ch 6: Real
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Gabrielli 15th Aug 2018, 11:41 PM
And I suppose the fact that there's no license plate doesn't seem suspicious either.
...(RockB) 16th Aug 2018, 2:38 AM
=8-(_) ...

H-How the heck is that going to function? Emily Gahn was just a few steps away.
Mark n 16th Aug 2018, 3:24 AM
Identity was totally hidden and there was no evidence left behind. All she knows is someone of a specific height and body type shot her lunatic follower in the face.
...(RockB) 18th Aug 2018, 10:51 PM
And then drove off with our gang. Also, she recognized Quen.

And the other part, fabricating enough evidence to make a "socially unwanted ne'er do good" take the blame - that's IMHO a serious level of sick. I won't say it's not possible with all parties working in the same direction, but it would take some serious effort and blind eyes everywhere.

The loss of realism I feel in this comic is getting stronger and stronger.
Roman Jones 19th Aug 2018, 10:33 AM
Roman Jones
SE is not a happy story, and it's not one that follows a happy, clean moral structure. We're following the standard bad guys, who in the grans scheme of how mafias actually operate aren't all that bad.

The main antagonist of this comic is "nobody cares". It's something you'll see a lot of here.

The loss of realism you mention is actually a representation of real crimes and atrocities that happen on a regular basis not only in Canada. It's shockingly easy to get away with crime, even crime that happens publicly.

We live in this media-driven illusion that justice prevails but it's not true. A huge percentage of crime happens and is forgotten because either the public loses interest or the cops get bought off.

Robert Pickton of BC got away with almost 50 murders for decades because the cops and public didn't want to think about it (he was killing ne'er do wells, no who cares?)

Gilbert Paul Jordan's offences were gratuitous and disgusting, leading to eight deaths, and he got away with it due partly to public disinterest:

The brutal public mutilation and murder of Tim McLean lead to a police suicide and the killer is now walking free.

Here's a PDF of unpunished white collar crime:
Mark n 19th Aug 2018, 8:07 PM
Roman, I had a feeling that is what you were aiming at here. I have spent most of my life studying abnormal psych I grew up in a neighborhood with neighbors that had "family" affiliations. What you were doing was noticeable from those angles. I will say this though, you have hit the proper nails on the head and made characters that remind me of those people so congratulations there.
...(RockB) 20th Aug 2018, 12:27 AM
Well, there goes my illusion about Canada...

I'm aware that it's possible to get away with serious crimes and without much effort with less serious ones, but still. A few years back there was a case of a man who got incarcerated into a psychological institution for threatening to blow the whistle on his wife's bank business deals - which much later turned out to be true: Gustl Mollath That's the biggest and worst case of fabricated injustice I've heard of in Germany, there may be lots of others. And I know first hand that bicycle theft can co unpunished if the thief is underage and asylee or asylum seeker, the police officer "sighed and moaned" me out of laying a criminal complaint against the thief who stole my bike and got caught (exceptionally!) - so yeah, I'm not totally naive - but still, a clear plain murder on a stage, with hundreds of witnesses, and they expect no problems, "this is nothing new for us" = they have done it before, then that about Quen stabbing someone 60 times in the face and walking away free was correct?
I would have less difficulties if the victim was a homeless hobo, but here the victim was a leading member of a movement against the company of the murderers. And regarding "nobody cares", there's still Emily Gahn...

Roman, of course you can make the comic as you want, in fact I understand that this murder is a vital part of the comic, if not the key part of whatever will follow, but right now, at this point in the story, the things that are going on are seriously stretching my suspension of disbelief.

Since you mentioned the antagonist:
If a story / comic exceeds a certain level, I tend to "fall into it", begin to (openly) root for the protagonist and/or against the antagonist. I didn't realize it up until you mentioned that the antagonist is "nobody cares", not a specific person but rather "we all" - and after I had a minute to think about it: What I do since several pages is nothing but rooting against said antagonist. Quite outspokenly! And I didn't even know that I was doing exactly that. On the other hand, the feeling of loss of reality is real and its still there.

So, congrats for manipulating me! :) Should I stop doing it? I could, but tbh, I don't want to. But things are different from now on.

Also thank you very much for the links.
Mark n 19th Aug 2018, 8:02 PM
He was on his bike. That does not make a connection to the gang. Quen can say he left to protect her and no one would question that (except maybe a conspiracy freak and who gives them credence on most topics.